Graphic New Abortion Documentary Takes ‘Shocking’ Look From All Sides

"It's about as shocking as any motion picture can ever get. It's illegal to film someone being killed," says the movie's director (see related link).

October 11, 2007 at 3:53 pm - IGN
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Shelly   October 11th, 2007 - 4:20 pm

I am suspicious of this film, it shows prominent pictures of Mormon Temples. Mormons absolutely do not condon or promote violence against abortion or the people that perform them.

VivaGore   October 11th, 2007 - 4:58 pm

We need free and unlimited abortions for all women, of all ages. Abortion levels the field for women. Nature produced an unfair condition for women. Women bear all of the risk from the sexual act. Abortion frees women and fixes nature’s flaw and mistake. Democrats will allow, and promote free and unlimited abortions. We must vote for Democrats and they must control all corners of government. Government will keep us free. A fetus is not a baby until it is born. Very simple and clear.

Viva Gore! Viva Kucinich! Viva Abortions! Viva Pelosi!

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Maria   October 11th, 2007 - 5:44 pm

You should mean, “Live little BABIES” but instead, you crazed person, you say babies should die. It is the women who need to take responsibility for their actions. If you think women are unfairly left with the consequences, then perhaps women need to do a better job of keeping their legs closed before marriage!!!

I survived Roe. vs. Wade, but millions of people didn’t. That’s right. Fetuses are people. If all the womein in America weren’t having abortions, we wouldn’t be overrun with all the illegals in this country. Think about that. Viva? enough said.

VivaGore = Delusional   October 11th, 2007 - 5:50 pm

VivaGore,

You are a pathetic soul. How about teaching people about the different methods of birth control? With the proper upbringing and education, these ‘mistakes’ (as I’m sure you would call the miracle of creating life) can be avoided. ‘Nature produced an unfair condition for women’ That is the most absurd statement I have ever heard. I guess with a mindframe like yours, you wish you had been aborted. But since you weren’t you are free to mouth off the most ignorant statements I have read in ages.

Democrats will fix nature ! Brilliant.

Hope you’re next abortion goes smooth… What will you do with the remains ?

VivaGore   October 11th, 2007 - 6:30 pm

I’m not delusional. I’m a pro-abortion Democrat. Pro-Choice means that I don’t want to take the chance of people not liking me. Pro-Choice is a copout. You must be Republicans. The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats believe in a strong government to take care of the people. Democrats will defend abortion. Abortion make women equal to men. Abortion lets me live the life I feel like living. Democrats know that truth is personal and negotiable. There are no black and white issues. Truth is subjective. Democrat promote personal truth in a world without judgement. Democrats forever!

Gore-Kucinich ‘08

Jason   October 11th, 2007 - 6:43 pm

Well then what stops me from killing you? After all, truth is objective…

VivaGore is still Delusional   October 11th, 2007 - 6:58 pm

I hope you are kidding. There is no way somoene would say “Abortion lets me live the life I feel like living”. So no morals, have unprotected sex all you want and hey, if you get pregnant, then I’ll have an abortion ! Sounds like a great life. Another good one “Abortion make women equal to men” This is great stuff. Keep writing, comedy is a great thing…

Curious, have you ever had an abortion ?

Roger Holsen   October 11th, 2007 - 8:58 pm

The producer says that “it is illegal to film the murder of a person.” But abortion has declared this person a non-person, so it should be perfectly legal to film it.

VivaGore   October 11th, 2007 - 11:52 pm

Abortion is legal and I can have as many as I want. Fetal mass is not a baby until it is born. I am not fetal mass. Morals are subjective. Truth is subjective. The law is what is important. Personal intent is what is important. You have been listening to conservatives for tooooo long. That will change in ‘08. Democrats in total control of our government will move us closer to utopia.

Margaret Sanger is our hero, and my Democratic party stands with me! I am not an anomaly. I represent Democrat leadership all over our nation. Ask Pelosi. Ask Reid. Ask Kucinich. Ask Clinton. Ask Soros. Ask Gore. Ask Edwards. Ask Obama.

We must eliminate all judgement. We must become tolerant of all people. We must embrace diversity. We must work to end global warming (the real threat). We must work towards the day when everyone likes us again. We must elect Democrats who are smarter and don’t judge personal values and truths. Stop military action and peace will be upon us!

Gore-Kucinich ‘08

VivaGore   October 12th, 2007 - 1:01 am

Bring the entire family next year to our street fair! It is fun for all!

Thanks Speaker Pelosi for your unwavering support! Democrats will fix America!

Democrats in ‘08!

VivaGore   October 12th, 2007 - 1:02 am

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W   October 12th, 2007 - 1:53 am

Wow, I don’t even know what to think here. VivaGore, I pray that one day you will see yourself from someone else’s eyes and realize that there is much more to life than “living the lifestyle” you want. Our lifestyle changes, i.e. through marriage, children, or job changes and it usually brings on many other changes that make us stronger, wiser individuals. Life is full of surprises and don’t you wish you could control exactly what will happen next… Too bad you cannot control yourself from being one of those Kool- Aid drinkers that unfortunately cannot be taken seriously. I will keep you in my prayers :)

Viva Dios and the USA

Todd   October 12th, 2007 - 2:38 am

You keep using words like subjective to describe your thoughts about Abortion for you there is no right or wrong its all gray .
Guess what there is a right and a wrong there is good and evil it black or white no gray area
you are a Democrats who has fallen for every line of bull the left wing anti god anti American anti common sense has said.
do you unborn BABY a favor and keep your legs closed along with your mouth

Wooooooooow   October 12th, 2007 - 3:28 am

So I hope that at least one person that reads one of these comments is smart enough to realize that “Viva Gore” is using a type of SATIRE.
They are a PRO-LIFER who is making themself sound like a “stereotypical” pro-choice advocate.

This issue IS complicated. It is NOT a life. At least not yet. An just to make you think? Middle-class White girls are not the only girls who get abortions.

These pro-lifers are nuts. They usually think of themselves as wonderful Christians. They vote for candidates and support laws that try to end abortions. But heres is the thing: they also advocate ending funding for after school programs, food stamps, and battered womens shelters that actually offer these kids an even minuscule chance at real life. If they were in anyway serious about ending abortion in the US they would actually try to work to give pregnant women options. Here’s a hint: REFORM THE US ADOPTION SYSTEM! MAKE GIVING UP A NEWBORN A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE!

so

1.) Congrats for being one of the few rightwing nuts that actually somewhat understand satire.

2.) Start living a more Philosophical-Introspective Christian life, like Jesus wanted.

3.) God Bless.

Todd   October 12th, 2007 - 4:11 am

Wooooooooow

I do advocate ending funding for after school programs, food stamps, and battered women’s shelters welfare of any kind and any thing else i am taxed for that is not legal by the constitution if the government tacks 1 dollar from me they are lucky to spend 25 cent on what they said they would beware of Hillery health care it will kill us $5000 for every new born $1000 for every 401k if you fall for this crap your not as smart as you think. your kids will end up slaves for THE NEW WORLD ORDER
There just about there now thanks to the Democrats and republicans.

syn   October 12th, 2007 - 7:38 am

Pro-choice refers to the female’s right to choose either;

a)it is life if she needs government funded pre-natal care

or;
b) it is just a clump of cells if she needs government funded abortion to rid herself of a terrible infection.

Equality means either;

a) the law is on her side if she want him to be the sugar daddy even though it’s not his sperm baby.

or;

b) if it is his sperm baby the law is on her side if she doesn’t want the sugar daddy anywhere near her but wants his money for a boob job.

Yeah we’ve come loooonnnnnggg way baby to the point where children are more adult than their mommies.

Ultrahumanite   October 12th, 2007 - 8:45 am

I think that both pro-choicers and pro-lifers are full of self-righteous bullhockey.

Pro-Lifers are absolutely rabid about preserving human life… until it’s out of the womb. After that, they don’t give a flying leap at a donut about how the little ankle-biter is getting along. And they’re too short sighted to realize that abortion is a practical if imperfect solution to a very real and tangible problem.

The Pro-Choice crowd, on the other hand, can’t admit that abortion is taking a human life, when that’s exactly what they should be admitting. Of course it’s ending a life. Calling a thing something else doesn’t change the thing. It is what it is. Executing a criminal is taking a life. Killing someone in self-defense is taking a life. And abortion is taking a life. And if you think that abortion is not taking a human life, then answer me this: Why was Scott Peterson convicted and sentenced to death for a double homicide? And how is a baby born a month premature a baby, and a fetus that has a month to go before he’s born *not* a baby?

Call it what it is. Doesn’t mean it should be outlawed, doesn’t even mean it’s wrong — but euphemism never does any good for anybody.

Kathy   October 12th, 2007 - 9:23 am

Is it really so terribly difficult to use birth control? Why are there so many unwanted pregnancies in this day and age? Are women that dumb?

syn   October 12th, 2007 - 9:43 am

No women aren’t dumb they just never grew up.

DL   October 12th, 2007 - 11:27 am

Thanks, Ultrahumanite, for pointing out the obvious…that abortion is ending a human life. Most of the new-wave pro-choice people (esp. young people) will readily admit this because you look like a stupid idiot if you claim otherwise.

I’ve always thought it might be interesting to write a novel where two women get mixed up in a hospital…the abortionist gets the woman looking for prenatal care and the ob-gyn doctor gets the woman looking to have an abortion. Wouldn’t you love to hear those conversations…? Wow, let’s see…5 months pregnant, and somehow a different doctor means that one is a little baby (sometimes already with a name and 3D ultrasound pix taken) and the other is a nameless blob of tissue?

Well, in line with your claims, Ultrahumanite, it appears you are looking for a practical if imperfect solution to a very real and tangible problem. Let me assume you are talking about single, impoverished women in cities having unwanted children? If you are looking for a practical (but amoral) answer, have you considered it would be far cheaper and easier to kill these single women and end poverty at the same time? Or just cart them off to some third world country and leave them to fend for themselves…if killing them might make you look bad. I’m not advocating this at all, but you see…I’m just following your logic with a “modest proposal” of sorts.

In answer to your critique of pro-lifers, I’d venture to say that pro-life mothers spend more time with their children when growing up than pro-choice women would. And are (stereotypically) less likely to cart off their kids to the public schools. Well, you can have your own opinion of how a kid should be raised, but how can you question their standards of raising their family? Especially since family identity and stability are often built up by parents (esp. mothers) spending time with the children when young.

I know, but it makes much more sense to focus on “fixing” global warming so some African tribes will stop fighting over land due to climate change there. That’s because it’s much easier to control the climate than exercise enough self-control to prevent the 1.5 million abortions (and lives terminated) in the US each year.

joe   October 12th, 2007 - 11:37 am

I was attending the University of South Florida in the late 90’s and some group of Pro-Life people came to the campus and had huge photographs of what aborted fetuses looked like. The main group of pro-choicers were outraged at the pictures. Why would the pictures offend them if it’s not a human? Just an observation.
So you know I am libertarian and therefore individual freedoms supercede all, when it’s not hurting another human. But I have to wonder at the hypocrisy of the pro-choice camp.
The fundamental basis for their argument is “It’s our bodies we should be able to do what we want with them”. So I had to ask them while at that campus event, “so then you are for the legalization of all drugs right? You are for assisted suicide right? It’s my body, my choice to put drugs in it if I want, my body my right to kill myself if I want.” Most of the pro choicers there couldn’t answer me. Bottom line if you are going to take a stand on the argument about personal liberties as it concerns your own body then you HAVE to be for EVERYTHING that applies to what people can do with their own bodies, assuming of course they aren’t harming anyone else against their will.
Just a thought.

PC   October 12th, 2007 - 12:33 pm

People that are pro-choice basically don’t want to be judged for not having an opinion, or giving the issue much thought. You are either for abortion or you are against it. Being for abortion, you have either not sorted out when life begins, don’t really care, or concluded, as vivagore, that it begins at birth. I still believe that a vast majority of people are against killing children. So, the issue continues to land on when life begins. If that is not knowable, then one must be against abortion. That is a rational approach. However, a person governed by feelings and convenience will choose the path or assumed least resistance.

I find it interesting that most people, that again want to be liked, are against capital punishment because there might be an innocent person convicted… based on evidence, etc. But, not knowing when life begins, they are willing to make a convenient assumption and abort.

Abortion is hidden. It is easier for people to do something disgusting if they don’t see the results. This film is threatening to the pro-abortion movement because it tries to make the disgusting visible.

PC   October 12th, 2007 - 12:42 pm

Also, vivagore is right. The real motivation for abortion among the early women’s movement centered around equality.

Nature, rightly, did place most all of the risk on the women. By doing that, women are much more judgemental regarding the man… requirements for commitment, security, ability to provide and protect. Men on the other hand, having very little risk in the act of sex, just need a place and a willing partner. If abortion removes the risk for the female, most all judgement (a good thing) is removed and sex is just a place and a partner.

The unintended consequence is the following…. the woman has lost respect and value in the relationship. But, remember, as cruel as this might seem, the female is a depreciating asset with time in our new society. Plastic surgery can only go so far.

Craig   October 12th, 2007 - 12:45 pm

PC,

Good points. Reminds me of this:

Okay, I’m tired of beating around the bush. I’m a beautiful (spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I’m articulate and classy. I’m not from New York. I’m looking to get married to a guy who makes at least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don’t think I’m overreaching at all.

Answer:
Dear Pers-431649184:
I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully
about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.
Firstly, I’m not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your
bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here’s how I
see it.

Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a
crappy business deal. Here’s why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring my money. Fine, simple. But here’s the rub, your looks will fade and my money will likely continue into perpetuity…in fact, it is very likely that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won’t be getting any more beautiful!

So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation accelerates! Let me explain, you’re 25 now and will likely stay pretty hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in earnest. By 45 stick a fork in you!

So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy and hold…hence the rub…marriage. It doesn’t make good business sense to “buy you” (which is what you’re asking) so I’d rather lease. In case you think I’m being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It’s as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.

Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So, I wonder why a girl as “articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful” as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K hasn’t found you, if not only for a tryout.

By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then we wouldn’t need to have this difficult conversation.

With all that said, I must say you’re going about it the right way. Classic”pump and dump.”
I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of lease, let me know.
Best,

Jeff Davis   October 13th, 2007 - 6:30 am

I am sure amused when people don’t know the law, but try to use it to suit their needs, even when they are wrong.

First, there is no law on the books prohibiting the act of videotaping someone being murdered. *Yes, murder is illegal, but to blindly say it is illegal to videotape it is wrong. For instance, there are so many cases where it has assisted in prosecution of murders, and if it were illegal, then the “illegal” tapes would not have been admissable.

Just like when people blindly state “pedestrians have the right of way”, that is not a true statement. *Pedestrians have the right of way, only in a properly marked crosswalk, when they have the green signal, and if they haven’t cleared the intersection safely when traffic is approaching, motorists must yield for them to cross, but no law blindly gives pedestrians the right to walk out in moving traffic legally.

Please, learn the law before you misquote it to suit your needs.
However, some people are ignorant, and never question it.

Jenny Vaughn   October 15th, 2007 - 1:25 pm

Why is is illegal to show the truth about abortion? It should not be illegal to show the truth of what abortion is and that’s murder.

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