Gun Rights Reloaded: Supreme Court Knocks Down DC Handgun Ban

AFP: The US Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a constitutional right to bear arms, ending a ban on owning handguns in the capital city in its first ruling on gun rights in 70 years.

June 26, 2008 at 11:34 am - MSNBC
Dateline: Washington, DC
Woody   June 26th, 2008 - 11:43 am

Hell yeah!

INFIDEL   June 26th, 2008 - 11:45 am

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822,000 views in 41 days – find out why?

Preserve, Protect and Defend…

Sean   June 26th, 2008 - 11:47 am

Criminals and liberals are crying right now.

BeEtLjOoZ   June 26th, 2008 - 11:53 am

Thank God! Even a broke clock is right twice a day. I have very fuzzy warm feelings for the Supreme Court right now. Wonder how long it will last?

carl   June 26th, 2008 - 12:11 pm

–Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a separate dissent in which he said, “In my view, there simply is no untouchable constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden urban areas.”–

Hey Egghead! “crime-ridden urban areas” are exactly where a law-abiding citizen needs “handguns in the house” the most! To defend against all the Criminals who are not terribly troubled by laws banning handguns!

What part of “the right of the People to keep and bear arms” do you not understand?

The Obamination   June 26th, 2008 - 12:15 pm

Don’t fret Liberals. Two years from now, you’ll be celebrating stories like this:

June 1, 2010 WASHINGTON – Today the Supreme Court ruled that prison sentences for life “without chance of parole” are unconstitutional. Justice William J. Clinton, writing for the majority, stated that long prison sentences–just as with execution–violate the Eighth Amendment ban on cruel and unusual punishment, regardless of the severity of the offense. Clinton, who with Justice Tom Daschle, was confirmed in 2009 on party line filibuster-proof 60-40 votes, wrote that “Unless a prisoner has a chance of parole in a reasonable amount of time, he is denied Hope. And as President Obama reminds us, Hope is a basic human right.” Justices Clinton and Daschle were the first to be confirmed under the new requirement by Senate Judiciary Chairperson Hillary Clinton that nominees be recommended by both the ABA and ACLU.

This would be funny if it weren’t so damned plausible.

carl   June 26th, 2008 - 12:22 pm

BTW, do not forget what Obama’s campaign staff said to the Chicago Tribune on Nov. 20, 2007:

“Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional.”

As of TODAY, his people say that his statement was “inartful.” Right, Obama prides himself on being a Constitutional Expert!

Inartful? “By constitutional, I meant to say unconstitutional. Let’s not quibble over minor details.”

Dave M   June 26th, 2008 - 12:57 pm

from my cold dead hands……..

dswilli   June 26th, 2008 - 1:06 pm

The pathetic part is there were 4 dissenters. Leftists love to play games with wording. While ignoring the mindset of the framers. Read letters from Washington, Jefferson etc. and you will see that the founding fathers thought guns were not only a right but a necessity. I think it might be prudent for some elected officials to sign members of their states up for “well regulated militias”. You know like the National guard just with no commitment to serve. Have gun training, meet once a year to “drill”. It might be harder to strike down the 2nd amendment if states have their own militias. Like a 21st century minutemen.

Sean   June 26th, 2008 - 1:07 pm

I wonder if Ginsberg researched European laws to see how it applies.

dswilli   June 26th, 2008 - 1:10 pm

Gun rights advocates be warned, if BHO is elected this ruling is subject to being reversed. Who knows what kind of dunces BHO will pack the court with. As an above poster astutely warned Bill Clinton could indeed be a nominee.

Double naught spy   June 26th, 2008 - 1:19 pm

“Criminals and liberals are crying right now.”

Isn’t that redundant?

ObamaPeace   June 26th, 2008 - 1:27 pm

Horrible. This is the reason to vote for Obama. We Must CHANGE the supreme court! Obama will get the opportunity to appoint 3 justices. This is vital to make sure we remain a progressive liberal country.

We must remove all guns to bring domestic peace. We must disband the military to bring world peace. Obama is The One that will lead us to a utopia of our time! We must issue permits to control dissent.

Obama ‘08

jim   June 26th, 2008 - 1:27 pm

I think this ruling is a travesty, and we as the citizens of this country will be less safe because of it. It is past time when all guns in this country be banned. As for the argument”if guns are outlawed only ourlaws will have guns”, well if you give your guns to the closest police department you won’t be an outlaw, now will you.
I think it is time for law enforcement to do a house to house search of every home in the country, and they need to use metal detectors for the mental midgets who will try to hide their guns in walls, barns garages and the ground. I would like to see a mandatory life time sentence for anyone caught with a gun, whether it be in their possession or in their homes. Their private property and homes should also be confiscated. With just a few instances of this happening you will see mass turn ins of guns.
We, and the world, will be a safer place once this country is made subject to the laws of the United nations.
I can’t wait for Obama to be elected. You will see these gun owning militia types shaking in their Nazi jack boots!

GO OBAMA!

freeman   June 26th, 2008 - 1:35 pm

Jim, did you just get off the boat from communist China?
You clearly have no concept of the Constitution.
Lay off the drugs man, they’re messin ya up.

Bob Barr Pres. 2008!!!

Dave M   June 26th, 2008 - 1:35 pm

I have never called out another poster …but Jim you are one of the bigger idiots I have run across on here. I will keep my guns and if some poor thug makes a mistake and breaks in my house to do harm to me and my family I can hopefully deal with it before someone I love is killed by a repeat offender.
you on the other hand in the same situation will hide in a corner and cower begging for the life of you and your family.
good luck. your gonna need it.

Mary Jo   June 26th, 2008 - 1:40 pm

INFIDEL -

Thanks for the tip!

Everyone, must see that 3:00 min. clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJxmJZXgNI

Rashad   June 26th, 2008 - 1:42 pm

Gloat now, rednecks. When Obama is elected he will see to it this ruling is struck down. All he needs is 1 Supreme Court position to open up, and the whole face of things will change.

OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE OR BLOOD IN THE STREETS!

dswilli   June 26th, 2008 - 1:51 pm

Jim you’re a moron. Really not even a man. If you don’t take responsibility for protecting your family no one will. In fact my guess is you’re some stupid little kid who’s been hearing how special he is his entire life (all 13 years). Fed a line of crap by imbecilic teachers and shiftless parents. You’re not special you’re an idiot. I’m going to give you an illustration as to why you’re an idiot. Crackhead Joe and his “posse” are out lookin to score some crack. Problem is no money, is Joe going to A) go home (no high tonight) or B) kick some poor defenseless lugs door in and take all his money (or worse) History shows that crackheads are far more likely to choose option B. So unless you can think of a way to put a cop in every dwelling in America cops have no way to protect us. As a matter of fact the Supreme court has stated that the police have no obligation to protect us.

jim   June 26th, 2008 - 1:54 pm

Well, Dave, you are probably the best argument yet for gun confiscation. I can see you now, caressing your gun, waiting for someone to knock on your door.
IF ALL GUNS ARE CONFISCATED, NOT JUST FROM CRIMINALS BUT FROM RIGHT WING FANATICS LIKE YOU WE WILL ALL BE SAFE!
You may have won this round but when Obama is elected, we will have won the whole thing! Are you going to lose everything for a piece of steel?

GO OBAMA!

dswilli   June 26th, 2008 - 1:57 pm

LOL good one Rashad. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE try to come to my street. I’ll give you directions.

Sean   June 26th, 2008 - 1:58 pm

Guys….Jim isnt serious.

Double naught spy   June 26th, 2008 - 1:59 pm

Not quite sure why you people have such a problem with law abiding citizens owning handguns. But let me tell you this Jim when guns are being confiscated I’m going to look for people like you. Then we’ll discuss your “problem”.

dswilli   June 26th, 2008 - 2:03 pm

Not so sure Sean, I’ve met idiots like that.

Lisa   June 26th, 2008 - 2:03 pm

I have to side with Jim on this. I hate that I have to be afraid everytime I leave my apartment. If there were no guns I would feel much safer. I can only hope and pray that Barrack Obama is elected. He will change things in this country, and one of the first things he will change is the gun culture in this country and the violence it breeds.

Double naught spy   June 26th, 2008 - 2:06 pm

Hey look Jim had a sex change. Not convincing dork try again.

Bob   June 26th, 2008 - 2:11 pm

Everyone go easy on Jim. Remember – Stupid people don’t know they’re stupid, because they’re too stupid to figure it out. And, he’s not in touch with reality, either.

Obama Lib   June 26th, 2008 - 2:12 pm

“liberals are crying right now.”

this lib ain’t. But I do ask you the question:

1. Is this going to make us safer?
2. Does that actually matter to you NRA guys?

m-antony   June 26th, 2008 - 2:13 pm

I hear you, rashad, your blood in the street. Bring along some buddies with you .

Sean   June 26th, 2008 - 2:13 pm

“Lisa June 26th, 2008 – 2:03 pm

I have to side with Jim on this. I hate that I have to be afraid everytime I leave my apartment. If there were no guns I would feel much safer. I can only hope and pray that Barrack Obama is elected. He will change things in this country, and one of the first things he will change is the gun culture in this country and the violence it breeds.”

How would he do that?

Sean   June 26th, 2008 - 2:14 pm

“Obama Lib June 26th, 2008 – 2:12 pm

“liberals are crying right now.”

this lib ain’t. But I do ask you the question:

1. Is this going to make us safer?
2. Does that actually matter to you NRA guys?”

1 – Yes. Especially in D.C.

2 – I’m not a member of the NRA.

Double naught spy   June 26th, 2008 - 2:14 pm

You asked Obama lib here are my answers… 1) no (I don’t live in DC) I’ve always had the right of self protection. 2) yes, who do you think was the driving force behind this appeal?

Dave M   June 26th, 2008 - 2:17 pm

Lisa , you know drugs are illegal and banned here in the states , so you should feel safe that their must not be any drugs here in America. cause if they are illegal surly no criminal can get them….. right?? wrong….. you people scare me worse than criminals.

freeman   June 26th, 2008 - 2:17 pm

Hey Lisa, You and the rest of the anti-gun nuts care to share with us just how Osama, I mean Obama is going to accomplish all that?

Sean   June 26th, 2008 - 2:19 pm

“Lisa June 26th, 2008 – 2:03 pm

I can only hope and pray that Barrack Obama is elected. He will change things in this country, and one of the first things he will change is the gun culture in this country and the violence it breeds.”

Apparently not:
“The D.C. law, according to the Supreme Court, went too far and now the key is going to be to come together and say people do have an individual right.”
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=120253&comments=1

Obama Lib   June 26th, 2008 - 2:37 pm

“#2) Does that actually matter to you NRA guys?”

One response said:
“I’m not a member of the NRA.”
another said:
“yes, who do you think was the driving force behind this appeal?”

Okay – I wasn’t asking if anyone was a literally a member of the NRA, and I wasn’t asking of the Supreme Court decision was important to NRA memebers.

Let me rephrase and I’ll be clear:
For all of you who think this Supreme Court decision is good, is it because you
1) Simply think you should have the right, period.
2) think that the citizens of this country will be safer as a result of this decision.

This is what I’m interested in when I asked the original question. I know all the conservative types like to play cowboy/plantation owner with their guns and all…but as an unapologetic LIBERAL here, I’m concerned about this question: Are our nation’s citizens better off or not, on the whole, as a result of this? Why?

Rod Gattson   June 26th, 2008 - 2:44 pm

To most of us it doesn’t matter what the Supreme Court says, it was nice they were on our side this time but we have our guns and will keep them no matter what those idiots say.

Our guns protect us against the government, that’s pretty simple. Under Saddam Hussein every man and most of the women had guns. Sure he was a brutal dictator but hink how much worse he would of been if they haddn’t had guns.

People with guns don’t get shot by criminals, people without them do.

Obama Lib   June 26th, 2008 - 2:53 pm

Rod-
“Our guns protect us against the government, that’s pretty simple.”

“People with guns don’t get shot by criminals, people without them do.”

so which rationale does this ruling pertain to?

Because, for your first point, am I to feel safer from Cheney’s Blackwater dogs if I go buy a handgun now? yeah, okay.

For your 2nd point, lets talk about statistics. I feel safer from gun violence in Europe, Japan, or Canada compared to America.

Sean   June 26th, 2008 - 2:53 pm

ObamaLib,

Personaly I want to preserve the right to carry a gun BUT I also want very tough purchase and registration laws. I also want mandatory gun sfaerty training for gun owners but, truthfully, I cant see how it can be done.

Thank you for clarifying your question.

Obama Lib   June 26th, 2008 - 2:56 pm

Sean,
But does this ruling make us – ALL of us American Citizens – SAFER?

I suspect that the NRA and people that take the NRA’s position… well, that’s just not their main concern frankly. Let’s just admit that much.

Sean   June 26th, 2008 - 3:02 pm

Yes we are safer if we are allowed to own guns.

NRA’s main concern is gun ownership. If you knew a little more about the NRA you would know they want mandatory gun safety training too.

Obama Lib   June 26th, 2008 - 3:04 pm

“Yes we are safer if we are allowed to own guns.”

how so? There are a lot of nations that have much more restrictive gun control, and much less availability of guns. As a result, it is they that are much safer from gun violence.

So, reconcile this with your statement then.

Sean   June 26th, 2008 - 3:05 pm

“Obama Lib June 26th, 2008 – 3:04 pm

“Yes we are safer if we are allowed to own guns.”

how so? There are a lot of nations that have much more restrictive gun control, and much less availability of guns. As a result, it is they that are much safer from gun violence.

So, reconcile this with your statement then”

Actually, you prove yours. What country is safer due to not allowing gun ownership? Has their crime rate not gone up?

TomBrooklyn   June 26th, 2008 - 3:09 pm

For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country…I mean, for the first time in a long time, I have never been as proud of my country as I am now.

Sean   June 26th, 2008 - 3:13 pm

“TomBrooklyn June 26th, 2008 – 3:09 pm

For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country…I mean, for the first time in a long time, I have never been as proud of my country as I am now.”

Michelle? Is that you?

dswilli   June 26th, 2008 - 3:17 pm

It’s pretty straightforward Obama lib. Either you want to defend yourself from a tyrannical federal government or you don’t. Personally I trust myself more than the government. You may choose to live in the shadow of a dictatorship I prefer to die fighting. Think for a moment about the LA riots. Think of how many lives would have been saved as well as property if the LA store owners had all been armed.

Obama Lib   June 26th, 2008 - 3:43 pm

dswilli-
I feel the same.

Sean-
touché. my question is answered.

TomBrooklyn   June 26th, 2008 - 3:59 pm

WASHINGTON DC was the MURDER CAPITAL of the USA in the early 90s. While things have improved there with gentrification, things are really going to get better now.

The rate at which violent criminals will be taken off the streets is about to spike!

Texan   June 26th, 2008 - 4:38 pm

I am off to buy a Glock and celebrate! YEAH! Question for you do-gooder, facist liberals…you don’t support my right to have a gun? LIB: Nope, your too stupid to have one, leave your protection to the goverment, the goverment will protect you, feed you, educate you…. ME: OK Do you support cops having guns? LIB: Of course, silly, cops need guns to protect you from the bad guys. ME: My point exactly!

Obamaman   June 26th, 2008 - 5:57 pm

You right wing gun uts are crazy. You talk about needing guns to protect yourselves from the government. How you need guns to protect yourselves form bad guys. If there were no guns, and I think the previous poster ,Jim, had a good idea when it comes to geting rid of them, there will be nothing to fear.
To me the constitution means little when I do not feel safe walking down the street. Now that the Supreme Court has made it’s ruling, what is next, guns battles over who is net in line at the supermarket? This ruling is a huge step backwards. We are now less safe.
I personally can’t wait for Obama to take over. Things like this, and so many other evil, negative things in our country, will change.

Smitty Weston   June 26th, 2008 - 8:00 pm

Well put dswilli. Our property is our life, if we can’t protect our property we might as well die. People who won’t protect their property are giving in to Communism. The Communists were allowed to take over in Russia, Vietnam, North Korea, China, France and the Muslim Countries because the people wern’t allowed to be armed. Guns are the great equalizers against other people who have guns.

Craig   June 26th, 2008 - 8:35 pm

The question is, “Who smote Job”?

If you knew what this means,

although thou (Satan) movedst me (God) against him,(Job) to destroy him without cause.

You would know that if God wants you alive, you need no gun.

If God wants you dead, there is no remedy, gun or no gun.

If the verse from the Book of Job doesn’t penetrate your thick skull, there is this,

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me:

I kill, and I make alive;

I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

That is the REAL God of Scripture, THE ONLY SOVEREIGN,

not your made up cultural American ‘pretender’!

In the service of the the LIVING WORD, JESUS CHRIST,
Craig

Airwick   June 27th, 2008 - 1:06 pm

I love those far right Conservatives who think that the Supreme Court should be composed of individuals who should rule based upon the strict “interpretation” of the Constitution as written by our “Founding Fathers”. What is the wisdom of our “Founding Fathers”? These men were far ahead of their time when one considers the concepts of freedom, liberty, and individual rights but why should we defer to them now without question? They lived 220 years ago and had no concept of railroad travel, automobiles, air travel, inter space travel, dynamite, rifled barrels, machine guns, the telegraph, radios, television, telephones, cell phones, computers, the Internet, plastics, finger printing, or DNA, to mention only a few advances since then. Why should we listen to them and their “opinions”? The world has changed and we must certainly adjust in writing our laws to reflect the reality of the current environment.

When the Constitution and its Amendments were written the United States was essentially a “frontier” nation. Owning a firearm was essential to not only security, but often everyday life. It seems to me that the concept of the Second Amendment is that the population should be armed as a last resort to prevent the “government” from being abusive or “taking over”. That may have been appropriate in the 1780’s when everyone (including the military) owned a musket but who can reasonably argue that my 44 magnum or your 870 Remington pump is a match for the weapons the Armed Forces can bring to bear against us? The Second Amendment, as written, simply no longer applies unless we can own machine guns, LAW’s, armor, choppers, explosives, and so forth. Is THAT reasonable?

Principles may remain the same over time, but laws should also reflect the reality of the world in which we live.

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