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This from the guy who sees UFO’s?
Tell Mr. Spock to quit embarrassing himself.

Impeach! Before they completely run this country into the ground. There are still a few constitutional rights that this administration HASN’T trampeled on.

Better move Tori.

Wow! 21 co-sponsers! It unanimous!

Hey Tori, exactly what rights have you lost?

Sounds like we need another 9/11.

Kucinich is dillusional – and nuts!

What a blithering idiot! This twerp should be put on a rail and run out of our country. This traitor should go and live with his Marxist buddy (Chavez) in Venezula. I am so tired of his never ending idiocy (along with Conyers and Pelosi) that I hate to even listen to the nonsense he spews!!

I think this guy’s been abducted one too many times. He must be distracted by that anal probe the ET’s gave him.

this guy is an absolute idiot.
“well i did see a ufo, uh, you know it’s an unidentified flying object”
This country is going downhill at the hands of people like this.

This must be discussed. In order to restore our honorable American values, this administration must be held responsible for their actions. There are not ‘better things’ to do.

Yes Mr. Spock has such a great deal of credibility with the American people.

For a minute I thought that maybe the aliens that Jimmy Carter and Dennis Kucinich saw might be socialist liberals, but then I remembered that aliens have higher intelligence.

I’m kind of hoping he gets “abducted” with the rest of the libs

Tori, you are dillusional – and nuts – too!

Kucinich is a psychopath!

Forget impeaching that bastard Cheney. He already has a warm seat waiting for him in hell.

This is what they are wasting their time on? No wonder Congress’ approval ratings are single digit. Nothing like proving to the world how completely incompetent Congress has become.

Which constitutional rights have been trampled on?
I keep hearing that our rights are being trampled on but noone can give me an example of any AMERICAN’s rights being stepped on. So Tori, you are just another left wing nutjob unless you can come up with proof that our rights are being taken away.

as far as Spock goes, he should pay more attention to the UFO’s and Shirley MacLaine. This guy is just angry and jealous that he can’t get a tenth of the votes that Bush/Cheney did.

This charade is beyond words….here I have my very own Congressional represntative making a fool out of himself!How can a life-long career politican NOT KNOW who is control of our “foreign policy”? Next time I see him at one of his famous town hall meetings…..I’ll tell him! Until then,America still has the best seats in the world to the biggest freak show in that world- Our Congress! Need more of what I say? log on:www.storminnorm.com “its all there,and Dennis knows that too”!

Tori, don’t listen to these people. Not that you would, or anyone else would for that matter. Just read their comments… all they can do is poke fun. No substance, no nothing. Just call him something bad and he and what he is saying becomes non-important. This is what the Republican Party has turned in to. This is why they are the minority in our country!!

Hey E. Marsalis, I don’t see where Tori said rights were “lost”??? I do see where Tori stated that they have been trampled on. You know in Russia and China they don’t need warrants for phone tapping too! Ever heard of Give me Liberty or Give me Death!!! For a short skinny guy, Dennis is a bigger American that any of you who can only make a NOT funny joke!

“Awkins,” I’m pretty sure Tori would at least know how to spell “delusional.”

“E. Marsalis,” what rights have we lost? We’ve lost the right of habeas corpus, for one. The president has claimed the right to imprison people indefinitely without access to counsel, rights that predate the founding of this nation and were codified in the Constitution. We’ve lost our Fourth Amendment right to privacy, as the President has been spying on tens of thousands of Americans’ electronic communications without complying with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. We’ve lost our right to know what our government is doing, as the President ordered executive agencies not to comply with FOIA requests.

Maybe you don’t miss our rights or refuse to acknowledge that they’re gone, but many of us who love our country do.

And for the Drudge readers who were apparently confused by Kucinich’s mention of UFO’s, think about what that term means. It doesn’t mean little green men from mars, it means he saw something and didn’t know what it was. You’ve seen ‘em; most of the time they’re meteors, other times smoke from distant fires causing optical illusions, etc. etc. etc. That’s why they’re called “unidentified flying objects” and not “alien-from-outer-space-coming-to-anal-probe-you objects.”

So tell me “MoonBeam Jim” exactly what “American Values” do you want restored. You still have free speech, freedom of exression, the right to the pursuit of happiness, this right to bear and own arms – what exactly has this administration taken from you??? (this will require thinking on your part, not repeating the mantra of the lefty, liberal loons – the answer is “nothing”). When you get down to it, all the Demo’s want to do is to impeach someone, anyone, in this adminstration to pay the Repubs back for impeaching “wet willy” clinton for lying to a grand jury. They don’t care what they have to make up to give them cause for impeachment…talk about a bunch of frauds…

Don’t the libs have anything better to do, like punish the middle and upper class workers for their hard work and perseverance? How about they raise taxes on the middle and upper classes to fund their pet bleeding heart projects or something? FDR and Lincoln would have had this man removed from office and deported to Canada or some other country if he were alive and present in the House. The current Dem. presidential candidates do not want to raise the lower classes standard of living, they want to bring the middle and upper classes down to the lower level. Humm, sounds like socialism… What universe did I wake up in today?

Impeached is too good for the mob boss profiteers that have looted america dry to the tune of 4 trillion!! all nicely redistributed amoing thier billionaire war-oil pals. While idiots buy fake terror scare tactics and thump thier chest with childish false patriotism AND LUDICROUS RANTS ABOUT FREEDUMB. (morons, plain and simple, you’re being had by the big boys for your $$$, wake the fc up!)

Kucinich is out of his mind! I believe it’s true when they say the small, weak, fragile, boyish man always thinks he has to prove something but in the end everything is clear that he is small, weak, fragile, boyish and crys like a baby. Kucinich go home to your cousin ET. Tori, you might want to follow your daddy.

Maybe Tori’s mad about her rights to ride on UFO’s?

Hey Gen, are you of Kucinich blood too?

It’s about time the people of the United States wake up and start listening to intelligent people. Dick Cheney should absolutely be impeached but so should Geore Bush and any of the people he has appointed.

But let us not stop there. Why don’t we face the real issue here, the real problem that we are looking at? The blatant parallels between the conditions within and behaviors of the United States are far too similar at face value and in political substance to those of Nazi Germany prior to and through World War II.

In America, the political power of the existing administration is based primarily on the support of severely religious theocrats who seek nothing more than a theocratic government based on radical christian beliefs. Nazi Germany utilized the beliefs of a zealoutous christian population to justify their expansion, going so far as to claim that the German people were the descendants of the Knights Templar, the one true race descended from Jesus Christ and were the “shining example of mankind” and a “beacon of hope in the world.” The US proclaims similar values daily in its assertions that it is the worlds police, that it has an obligation to spread its beliefs and “democracy” and that it is somehow a “lighthouse of shining liberty to the world.” The only difference between Germany and the US is that the US isn’t attacking its direct neighbors, it is capable of attacking distant countries due to the advances of globalization.

In Nazi Germany, the government was a state of corporatism. The state colluded with industry and commerce in order to grind the machines of war to gain new resources and lands and expand the third reich to forward Hitlers mercantilistic and ideological whims. In the United States, the machines of war are being ground by the state in order to rob the world of its resources for the benefit of the rich, and the corporations. Where Germany utilized the resources of the economy to support the military and the state, the United States uses the resources of the military and the state to support the economy.

The element of the “other” in both examples is clear as day. Germany chose to isolate and epitomize the foreign influence of Jews and foreigners within their borders in order to drive the German population into a frenzy of dependence upon the state, giving up their liberties in order to protect themselves from an invisibile but always present enemy that didn’t exist. The United States does the same thing daily with its continued propoganda and exhortations of September 11th, and the “invasion of immigrants.” All manners of liberties and rights have been given away to the state under the guise of protection.

Yet do not dare question these facts or you too will be branded with an invisible yellow star, a star or treason, of un-Americanism and be cast away, a traitor among “true patriots” who dare not question the rightness and morality of the situation.

The terrorists appreciate the hard work of their enablers – the Democrats in the U S House and U S Senate.

“Of course I’m a loon, after all, I’m a Democrat” – or – “Of course I’m a Democrat, after all, I’m a loon”

gen, of course you have proof that Bush and the Boyz are looting America. You have the paper trail, you can show a direct link between the War on Terror and the 4 trillion in profiteering – or are you just one of the hit and run liberals that tells the same lies three times to make it sound like the truth??

Tori and JAC…
How many times has your phone been tapped?
Unless you have called suspected terrorists in other countries, it has not been.
Or, maybe you have been calling domestic criminals who are subject to a Title III wiretap?

What other rights have been trampled?

The terrorist love goof balls like this guy running for the highest office in the nation

If Kucinich were elected President, his first act would be to surrender to Iran. What a freak.

This guy is just another lib loser like JAC. No plan of action, just plans for distraction. If the Dems were honest, they’d tell you that there dream is bigger gov’t spending your money to help people that WON’T help themselves, because they have these DEM idiots there to keep everybody lazy.

And that’s no joke JAC.

With all the questionable actions done by this Vice President (the President as well), it wouldn’t be a bad idea to have the House investigate the FACTS and get them out there. If Cheney is innocent – it will be proven, if he is NOT – he will get what’s coming to him and his history.

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JAC, Tori,

You haven’t lost any rights. We have attempted to catch the bad guys via wiretaps, listening to OVERSEAS conversations, following the money trails, and many other less glamorous methods. Most of these have been exposed by the NY (Traitor)TIMES and other left leaning pubs to make sure our enemies know everything that we do to catch them.. For the record – we also haven’t had another 9/11. All of this brought to you by the administration you hate, and by a country you hate.

If you were only a little honest you’d admit that Dennis is one of the most rabid of the hate America first crowd. He’s a socialist. He’s a foil hat wearing nutbag who has no concept of what this country is made of.

All of you broke idiots know nothing about the real world of geo-political economics, you buy into disney ideology designed to make you have your manly moment of beer balls while the big leagues milk your sorry pathetic loser ass’s….look at the $$ maybe you’ll wake up to the azz rape america is getting while Bushco uses trite issues to divide and conqueur…race,sexuality etc…all smoke and mirrors for you liliputian retards…nice to have such dumbazz’s to use to ensure the next billionaire lifestyles…

Whatever this guy’s background may be, he’s 100% right about this. Both Bush and Cheney should be dragged from office in irons and made to spend a couple of years under the tender mercies that they have introduced in Guantanemo. Then taken to the Hauge and shot.

“SilasSez,” why do you call me “Moonbeam Jim?” Is it the fact that I explained, in terms (I thought) even a second grader could grasp, what “unidentified flying object” means? Or was it how I clearly stated three of the rights that’ve been trampled on (which you either couldn’t comprehend, or chose to ignore)?

And by the way, those were RIGHTS I enumerated, not “values.” That’s why the Constitution contains a “Bill of Rights,” not a “Bill of Values.”

If we’re talking about “values,” though, I can think of one right off the bat I’d like “restored,” and that would be the one that states “Americans don’t torture their prisoners.” We put the Japanese on trial for water boarding back when not torturing was an American value, and now WE’RE doing it (and I’m sure the Drudge readers get off on that). My grandfather who fought at Guadal Canal is ashamed of our current leaders, who are doing one of the very same things that caused him to despise the Japanese.

While both parties tear each other to shreds in front of the television cameras and waste billions of dollars trying to blame each other for the waste of resources (resulting in even greater waste)…they take their vacations together. The real solutions will not come from a democratic impeachment process (which will not magically fix the corruption that is inherent in both parties) or via a republican presidential re-election. Americans have no real choices…just the perception of such.

Hey MR, it’s not about me… it’s not about you. When are you going to get it… It’s about the USA and what we are about! We don’t wire tap unless we have a warrant… I think I read that somewhere. Then there is torture, not really an America I grew up with. Republicans have turned in to the biggest bunch of school girls that I have ever seen. You’ll trade in anything so long as it is against the “terrorists”. Talk about terrorist enablers! Real men and real Americans would never trade liberty for false security.

The news must give this dummy the most air time he can get.
without dufuses like this, the liberals would not have a voice in America. talk more please. I can’t
stop laughing. this dummys the best.
go goofball go…

As if Ohio doesn’t have enough problems, Duh! Let’s not forget that Dennis “the Menace” Kucinich as boy mayor of Cleveland, presided over the bankruptcy of the city. The morons in Cleveland keep reelecting this jerk, and this latest idiotic publicity stunt only proves the point that we in Ohio already know. THE GUYS AN IDIOT.

Richard, you may want to put the cap back on the airplane glue you’ve been sniffing. I don’t see a groundswell of blond hair blue eyed ‘neo-conserves’ roaming the streets, burning books or limiting free speech, freedom of expression or taking Air America off the air. To compare the United States to Nazi Germany only starts to explain what kind of imbecile you are….put the cap back on before it eats the rest of your brain…

Who misses the days of BJ’s in the oval office??

I sat on the congressional floor and saw testimony…27 MILLION $$ to transport $90,000- worth of gas in Iraq, $200 for a bath towel!! $9000- for two screws to be delivered to Iraq….wake up dumbazz morons!! you’re being rooked..ever hear how many ex-pentagon officiials sit on the war induistry boards? ever read war is a racket? nah, too much thinking involved for that. thats why you’re so had so easily by cheap slogans of patriotic bullsht.

By all means impeach Cheney. However, do not stop there. Such a raping of the american people has to stop. Make an example of the monster, drag him to court and administer such a punishment that no person will ever again do such harm to America.

Hey John, so typical the response. I don’t like what our President has done so I must hate the country. Get over yourself bud and move to China, they like your kind over there!

Ya know, if this and the other syncophants spent as much tiem and energy addressing real issues like an imploding economy, health care for citizens and national defense we could get something done. Instead of lame duck hunting. I thought Progressives looked FORWARD! Don’t understand how a half-witted rodent looking Apparatchik like Kucinich has such a pretty wife! carry on my lemmings!

boy you liberals are getting more violent by the minute

This “representive of the people” is crazy.

Cast all the aspersions against Kucinich that you want… anyone can see that he is right. He’s honest and the only Presidential candidate who puts the preservation of the U.S. Constitution first. Cheney should be impeached and removed from office for his subversive actions against the Constitution.

For Kucinich, or any democrat, to use the term “subversive” while pointing to someone else is…

well…

hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait a minute…let’s prioritize. First health care for all, then we’ll cool down the planet. After that, lets focus on getting rid of Cheney. Then we can move on to $1,000 birth bonds, driver’s licenses for everyone and their dog, and of course financial equality for all…………………..

Gen, just because you can write the words “geo-political economics” – doesn’t mean you understand them any better than anyone else. If Bushie was the “Obi-Wan” of geo-political economics, would the dollar be at an all time low? You need to learn to think for yourself, quite reciting the physco-bable of the left.

Ohio Politicians – - proof positive that polluted superfund sites in the rustbelt have led to widespread dain bramage amongst the hoi polloi.

I know you would be the first to suggest torture if your loved ones where in danger, but the hell with your neighbors loved ones.

Kucinich vilifies the Constitution in his anti-gun stance.

Richard:
You know I am an easy going guy, but when I hear that crap that you are spewing, I’m absolutely revolted.
I truly believe that you and your kind are as big a threat to this country as are the islamic facist.
It’s a tragedy you hate your country so much.
Please go away

oh one more fact for you pathetic losers…Cheney made 60 million off Haliburton stock since the war but that has no “conflict of interest” involved right? (ever hear of that term 8th grade drop-out retards?) go ahead parrot Limbaugh and say “he’s entitled to make the millions”…that just proves how fc’n stupid and lame your thinking is!!

No Jac – you have it backwards. By definition you have aligned yourself with Kucinich. I have not labeled you as someone that hates the country – you did that when you defended a lunatic who says the most outrageous things. Dennis K. is just about as crazy as you can get. He makes things up. He lies about the administration. He says things that rational people would have nothing to do with. Look at the postings by you and your other lefty pals. PhilNYC is advocating murder. How logical is that?? And apparently a trial doesn’t fit into PhilNYC’s plans. Talk about Nazi’s ?? Only the comments from the left here advocate the extremes.

As much as I think Kucinich is nuts I don’t advocate killing him – yet it’s OK when the left advocated killing Bush or Cheney. Double standards and hate define the left.

Anyone seen any UFO’s? Dennis??

…I heart Haliburton.

This absolutely could not come at a better time. The Republicans should grab this resolution and immediately bring it up for a vote. Make all the Dems go on record. Just like they did Charlie Rangel’s draft bill. The Dems will look like the kow towing fools of the far left that they’ve become. This really could be the submarining of the Dems Presidential hopes of 08′. The very next photo op for any of the Dem candidates should include questions from the media on whether they support the Kucinich circus – they can’t ignore it now. Remember when Pelosi said “impeachment is off the table”? Guess that was just another Dem lie.

Jim, so you and Tori use spell check and I don’t. SWTF? Kucinich and Tori and anyone else that keeps repeating the same old crap that Cheney, Bush, whoever lied about the war and should be impeached is “delusional”.

Slow down folks…its all going exactly has planned!While Rome “crumbles” the real agenda rolls on! These plutocrats and the never seen American-Oligarchs are in complete control! If Congress truly did work for “We,The People”- they’d be outta business! In essence,we had a good run at it,while it lasted,didn;t we? Your Norman Rockwell America is forever gone…..

Another random act from the “committe to get the GOP back for impeaching Clinton”. Glad to know our leaders are working hard at accomplishing nothing. YOU’RE FIRED!

Kucinich is sick. While I think he is sicker than most of the Modern Liberals, it does help to understand these people.

Watch this video by Evan Sayet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

Evan is a genius and he explains why Liberals are like they are. You’ll need some quiet time and don’t be afraid to rewind it sometimes. I’ve watched parts of it many times.

Oh, make sure you watch the Q&A at the end too.

Enjoy!

gen, you are the classic liberal. when your pathetic excuses for logical thought fail to pass the test of any reason thought, you resort to name calling and swear words. Somehow I don’t believe you sat on the “congressional floor” and heard anything. As far as $60M in Halliburton stock – you of course have seen proof of this. You are just repeating what you have heard from other delussional co-horts. You really need to check your facts and quit spilling bilge for bilge spewing sake.

Just be happy that these pinko idots have made themselves busy with this twaddle and not with raising your taxes, taking your rifle, or killing more babies.

And again…I heart Haliburton.

you liberals aborted way to many of your future voters to win an elction.
ya killed em all you dummies

Richard, could you spell your last name? It’s CooCoo! The way you talk you sound like another democratic wacko! Oh and Gen you sound like the type of girl that your parents are real proud of.

I see a bunch of libs missing their meds.

Come on libs, drug it up, UFO man is leading the way to the outerspace – join him and blast off.

Kucinich FOR PRESIDENT!!!! YEAH!!!!!

SilasSez,

I do. Instead of blond hair and blue eyes, they wear red white and blue. Instead of Swastika’s on every building, there are American Flags. Instead of a Sig Heil, their hand goes over their heart. Instead of reciting Mon Fuhrer, they recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Instead of brown shirted skin-heads wandering the street, there are cowboy hats, Harleys, and gun toting “citizen border protecters.” Instead of Gestapo boots, they wear police uniforms. Instead of a Luger, they carry a Glock.

To keep the people complacent and ignorant, they remove science from classrooms in favor of dogma , eliminate education on safe sex, demand religious teachings in school and this ignorance only fuels their demand for less.

The corporation has become the god of America, promising a life of eternal bounty yet never giving it to anyone except the master behind the curtain, the select few who run the war machine and send soldiers off to die for money.

Free speech has been limited by any intelligently measured account. Local media stations are being eliminated by the droves in favor of centralized media ownership by three main companies all owned by a very narrow band of people. Where in the past, free speech was limited by simply quieting people, and was easily measured, in today’s world, you simply multiply the propoganda across a myriad of spectrum and claim a diversity in numbers when in fact, they are all spewing the same garbage.

Free expression? Last I checked, people were still being arrested for protesting. This isn’t a Bush problem alone but it has certainly increased since he came to office. No protesting outside funerals, no protesting outside trade forum, no protesting on public streets without a permit, no protesting in front of the White House. That is just officially regulated free expression. I haven’t even begun to start on the problems with self-policed limitations on free expression. In Nazi Germany, in the most “heaviily” policed section of Berlin, there were only 2 Gestapo officers yet there were thousands of arrests, all from people who spied, complained and accused their neighbors, friends and enemies of treason, being Jewish or worse. In todays society, the mere questioning of the activities of the government brings ostracism, accusation, violence, isolation, firings, and loss of personal livelihood. I should know! I was fired from a government job for writing an editorial to the local newspaper about the Pledge of Allegiance! On my own time, in the privacy of my own home, I exercised a right afforded to me by the constitution and was suppressed by a government entity for doing so with the explanation that I was being “un-american.” That, my friend, is documented by the FOIA e-mail archive request I pulled out of their butt and found in their e-mail logs.

The US is very much like Nazi Germany any to allege otherwise shows a complete lack of understanding of the political conditions that exist within the state and that existed within Germany during the Third Reich.

I should know, I hold a MA in Political Science majoring in Comparative Politics and International Relations. If anyone is qualified to make that assertion, it would be me.

What a pitiful representation of the human race.
I think “she” needs to get a grip, and get out of the race……..he is doing way more harm than good, as he is playing right into the hands of the terrorists!

nancy

Richard has been hitting the BONG AGAIN/STILL and it has FINALLY totally damaged his mind? I love Haliburton too! Love Borders, too! We do not nedd SLAVE LABOR from Mexico/Central America. Just pay a better wage to our US born folks!

What a pitiful representation of the human race.
I think “she” needs to get a grip, and get out of the race……..he is doing way more harm than good, as he is playing right into the hands of the terrorists!

(This is the first and only time I have said ANYTHING at all)
nancy

Richard – that was one of the most pathetic attempts at smoke and mirrors I’ve seen. Yet another demo/liberal attempting to try to tie this administration to NAZI Germany when the fact is that the dems and liberals in this country have taken their cues from the NAZI playbook. Is it conservatives who have sought to silence the opposition during speaking engagements? No, however nearly every conservative speaker in the country is shouted over, verbally attacked and in some cases, physically attacked by liberals who don’t want to hear what they have to say.
Was it republicans who felt as though they should re-institute the fairness doctrine to silence liberals and balance out their view point? No, it was liberal democrats who felt that conservatives should be silenced, or at least forced to offer a different point of view (and notice they made no mention of liberal radio/tv having to do the same). Please, enough with your ridiculous exaggerations and blatant falsehoods. We get it, YOU HATE THE PRESIDENT, no problem, he’ll be gone soon. Grow up already.

And of course, someone brings up all the rights we’ve lost but as soon as you ask for an example you’re attacked and accused of diverting… nevermind that an answer as to the rights that have been lost never actually comes. Same old liberals, do as we say not as we do and there is no double standard as long as you believe the way we do, free speech for all, well, except conservatives, they’re subversive and only the socialist liberals are upstanding patriots.

Some people should learn to think, think for themselves and if they still can’t then they should consider not making such fools of themselves.

You’ll forgive me if I don’t hang around waiting for the nazi, neocon or whatever other cute little names you children use.

Hey Jac_ _ _, if it takes torture to save 3,500 lives well so be it. This is war which you probably never seen behind pot smoke. Oh, I’m sorry, I just realized that our enemy puts our POW’s up in the Marriot Hotel. I thought for sure I saw a clip of them hang and pulling our dead soldiers through the streets of Bagdad. Jac you are a full proof idiot.

boy sliasSez someone must of realy screwed you up big time when you where a kid in that commie country
you grew up in

The Democrats are nothing but Communists. Hillary straight out says she will confiscate the Oil Company Profits, The HMO profits and whatever other private industry and business money she can steal. This is the Commie MO. Kucinich and his Commie colleagues have collaborated with Al Qeda and aided in the murders of US Service Men & Women and they are more afraid of tax cuts than terrorists. I’d like the chance to shove that podium where the sun don’t shine. If the Commie Dems continue down the path of redistribution of wealth by taxing us out of our homes they may really need to fear American Citizens instead of Al Qeda.

Please Sir,
Shut up and sit down, the act is worn out, your time is and my money is better served with you looking for UFOs.

Go back to Shirley MacLain’s house and reincarnate yourself as a human being. And this guy questions President Bush’s mental health?
Beam me up, Scotty!!!

Rich – McDonald’s is calling.

They’re impressed with your store bought paper of master BS.

They want you back on your shift, the drive-up line is stacking up.

Get back to the counter – chop chop.

This guy is a lunatic, he is in my district but I don’t know who would ever vote for him or how he gets elected. He doesn’t represent my views and I believe should be tried for Treason for talking with foreign heads of states and undermining the missions of the United States Goverment.

Richard, plenty of words for you to say absolutely nothing. Try again when you come down off your high.

I don’t understand all the utter hate for Bush/Cheney etc. The capacity for hate on the far left is staggering. It consumes their entire being, and they are incapable of rational thought because of it. They are paralyzed by it. It’s sad they cannot debate with facts and convincing arguments, instead they use half truths and threats of censure to anyone who dares oppose their socialist vision. They are as un-American as they come IMO.

BTW, didn’t the Democrat congress approve the Patriot Act again a while back? Just checking for all you going off on all the rights you’re afraid you’re losing.

Kucinich may be nuts, but that doesn’t make him wrong. I’ll keep an eye out for a Breitbart ad in the gun-toting-homophobes section of Field & Stream.

Cheney does not own any Haliburton stock. He’s not allowed to. Michael Moore and George Soros however, both own stock in Haliburton.

Here’s proof, since you’re not going to believe me anyways…

“Kerry Ad Falsely Accuses Cheney on Halliburton
September 30, 2004
Contrary to this ad’s message, Cheney doesn’t gain financially from the contracts given to the company he once headed.
Summary
A Kerry ad implies Cheney has a financial interest in Halliburton and is profiting from the company’s contracts in Iraq. The fact is, Cheney doesn’t gain a penny from Halliburton’s contracts, and almost certainly won’t lose even if Halliburton goes bankrupt.
The ad claims Cheney got $2 million from Halliburton “as vice president,” which is false. Actually, nearly $1.6 million of that was paid before Cheney took office. More importantly, all of it was earned before he was a candidate, when he was the company’s chief executive.

Analysis
A Kerry ad released Sept 17 once again attacks Cheney’s ties to Halliburton, implying that Cheney is profiting from the company’s contracts in Iraq. That’s false.

Kerry-Edwards Ad:
“Cheney Halliburton”

Cheney: I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven’t had now for over three years.

Announcer: The truth: As vice president, Dick Cheney received $2 million from Halliburton. Halliburton got billions in no bid contracts in Iraq. Dick Cheney got $2 million. What did we get? A $200 billion dollar bill for Iraq. Lost jobs. Rising health care costs. It’s time for a new direction.

John Kerry. Stronger at home. Respected in the world.

Announcer: I’m John Kerry, and I approve this message.
The ad isn’t subtle. It says, “As vice president, Dick Cheney received $2 million from Halliburton. Halliburton got billions in no bid contracts in Iraq. Dick Cheney got $2 million. What did we get?” And it implies that Cheney lied to the public when he said in a TV interview that “I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind.”

But as we document here, Cheney has insulated himself financially from whatever might happen to Halliburton. The Kerry ad misstates the facts.

$2 Million

To start, the $2 million figure is wrong. It is true that Cheney has received just under $2 million from Halliburton since his election, but nearly $1.6 million of that total was paid before Cheney actually took office on Jan. 20, 2001. Saying Cheney got that much “as vice president” is simply false.

We asked Cheney’s personal attorney to document that, and he did, supplying several documents never released publicly before:

A Halliburton pay statement dated Jan 2, 2001 shows just under $147,579 was paid that day as “elect defrl payou,” meaning payout of salary from the company’s Elective Deferral Plan. That was salary Cheney had earned in 1999, but which he had chosen previously to receive in five installments spread over five years.
Another pay statement dated Jan. 18 shows $1,451,398 was paid that day under the company’s “Incentive Plan C” for senior executives. That was Cheney’s incentive compensation — bonus money — paid on the basis of the company’s performance in 2000. Cheney had formally resigned from the company the previous September to campaign full time, but the amount of his bonus couldn’t be calculated until the full year’s financial results were known.
Cheney’s personal financial disclosure forms, together with the pay statements just mentioned, show that Cheney has received $398,548 in deferred salary from Halliburton “as vice president.” And of course, all of that is money he earned when he was the company’s chief executive officer. Cheney was due to receive another payment in 2004, and a final payment in 2005.

The Kerry ad isn’t the only place the false $2 million figure appears. The Democratic National Committee also gets it wrong on their Web site. The dates of the Halliburton payments don’t appear on Cheney’s personal financial disclosure form from 2001, and the DNC assumed — incorrectly as we have shown — that all the 2001 payment were made after he took office.

Deferred Salary

The $398,548 Halliburton has paid to Cheney while in office is all deferred compensation, a common practice that high-salaried executives use to reduce their tax bills by spreading income over several years. In Cheney’s case, he signed a Halliburton form in December of 1998 choosing to have 50% of his salary for the next year, and 90% of any bonus money for that year, spread out over five years. (As it turned out, there was no bonus for 1999.) We asked Cheney’s personal attorney to document the deferral agreement as well, and he supplied us with a copy of the form, posted here publicly for the first time.

Legally, Halliburton can’t increase or reduce the amount of the deferred compensation no matter what Cheney does as vice president. So Cheney’s deferred payments from Halliburton wouldn’t increase no matter how much money the company makes, or how many government contracts it receives.

On the other hand, there is a possibility that if the company went bankrupt it would be unable to pay. That raises the theoretical possibility of a conflict of interest — if the public interest somehow demanded that Cheney take action that would hurt Halliburton it could conceivably end up costing him money personally. So to insulate himself from that possible conflict, Cheney purchased an insurance policy (which cost him $14,903) that promises to pay him all the deferred compensation that Halliburton owes him even if the company goes bust and refuses to pay. The policy does contain escape clauses allowing the insurance company to refuse payment in the unlikely events that Cheney files a claim resulting “directly or indirectly” from a change in law or regulation, or from a “prepackaged” bankruptcy in which creditors agree on terms prior to filing. But otherwise it ensures Cheney will get what Halliburton owes him should it go under.

Cheney aides supplied a copy of that policy to us — blacking out only some personal information about Cheney — which we have posted here publicly for the first time.

Stock Options

That still would leave the possibility that Cheney could profit from his Halliburton stock options if the company’s stock rises in value. However, Cheney and his wife Lynne have assigned any future profits from their stock options in Halliburton and several other companies to charity. And we’re not just taking the Cheney’s word for this — we asked for a copy of the legal agreement they signed, which we post here publicly for the first time.

The “Gift Trust Agreement” the Cheney’s signed two days before he took office turns over power of attorney to a trust administrator to sell the options at some future time and to give the after-tax profits to three charities. The agreement specifies that 40% will go to the University of Wyoming (Cheney’s home state), 40% will go to George Washington University’s medical faculty to be used for tax-exempt charitable purposes, and 20% will go to Capital Partners for Education, a charity that provides financial aid for low-income students in Washington, DC to attend private and religious schools.

The agreement states that it is “irrevocable and may not be terminated, waived or amended,” so the Cheney’s can’t take back their options later.

The options owned by the Cheney’s have been valued at nearly $8 million, his attorney says. Such valuations are rough estimates only — the actual value will depend on what happens to stock prices in the future, which of course can’t be known beforehand. But it is clear that giving up rights to the future profits constitutes a significant financial sacrifice, and a sizable donation to the chosen charities.

“Financial Interest”

Democrats have taken issue with Cheney’s statement to Tim Russert on NBC’s Meet the Press Sept. 14, 2003, when he said he had no “financial interest” in Halliburton:

Cheney (Sept. 14, 2003): I’ve severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interests. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven’t had now for over three years. And as vice president, I have absolutely no influence of, involvement of, knowledge of in any way, shape or form of contracts led by the Corps of Engineers or anybody else in the federal government.

Shortly after that, Democratic Sen. Frank Lautenberg released a legal analysis he’d requested from the Congressional Research Service. Without naming Cheney, the memo concluded a federal official in his position — with deferred compensation covered by insurance, and stock options whose after-tax profits had been assigned to charity — would still retain an “interest” that must be reported on an official’s annual disclosure forms. And in fact, Cheney does report his options and deferred salary each year.

But the memo reached no firm conclusion as to whether such options or salary constitute an “interest” that would pose a legal conflict. It said “it is not clear” whether assigning option profits to charity would theoretically remove a potential conflict, adding, “no specific published rulings were found on the subject.” And it said that insuring deferred compensation “might” remove it as a problem under conflict of interest laws.

Actually, the plain language of the Office of Government Ethics regulations on this matter seems clear enough. The regulations state: “The term financial interest means the potential for gain or loss to the employee . . . as a result of governmental action on the particular matter.” So by removing the “potential for gain or loss” Cheney has solid grounds to argue that he has removed any “financial interest” that would pose a conflict under federal regulations.

Conflict of Interest

It is important to note here that Cheney could legally have held onto his Halliburton stock options, and no law required him to buy insurance against the possibility that Halliburton wouldn’t pay the deferred compensation it owes him. Both the President and Vice President are specifically exempted from federal conflict-of-interest laws, for one thing, as are members of Congress and federal judges.

And even federal officials who are covered by the law may legally own a financial interest in a company, provided they formally recuse themselves — stand aside — from making decisions that would have a “direct and predictable effect on that interest.” And Cheney says he’s done just that.

Cheney says he takes no part in matters relating to Halliburton, and so far we’ve seen no credible allegation to the contrary. Time magazine reported in its June 7 edition that an e-mail from an unnamed Army Corps of Engineers official stated that a contract to be given to Halliburton in March 2003 “has been coordinated w VP’s [Vice President's] office.” But it wasn’t clear who wrote that e-mail, whether the author had direct knowledge or was just repeating hearsay, or even what was meant by the word “coordinated,” which could mean no more than that somebody in Cheney’s office was being kept informed of contract talks.

Indeed, a few days later it was revealed that Cheney’s chief of staff Lewis “Scooter” Libby was informed in advance that Halliburton was going to receive an earlier contract in the fall of 2002 — to secretly plan post-war repair of Iraq’s oil facilities. But being informed of a decision after it is made is a far cry from taking part in making it. And according to the White House, Libby didn’t even pass on the information to Cheney anyway.

So to sum up, this Kerry ad’s implication that Cheney has a financial interest in Halliburton is unfounded and the $2 million figure is flat wrong.

Sources
“Vice President Dick Cheney discusses the war with Iraq, the economy and other topics,” NBC News “Meet the Press” 14 Sep 2003.
Jack Maskell, “Official’s Stock Options In and Deferred Compensation From a Corporation as a “Financial Interest” of an Executive Branch Official in Such a Corporation,” Memorandum , American Law Division, Congressional Research Service, 22 Sep 2003.

US Code of Federal Regulations,TITLE 5, CHAPTER XVI–OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS, PART 2640–INTERPRETATION, EXEMPTIONS AND WAIVER GUIDANCE CONCERNING 18 U.S.C. 208 (ACTS AFFECTING A PERSONAL FINANCIAL INTEREST) 5CFR2640.103(b)

Timothy J. Burger and Adam Zagorin, “The Paper Trail: Did Cheney Okay a Deal?”, Time magazine, 7 June 2004: 42.

Larry Margasak, “Cheney never heard plan to give work to Halliburton for rebuilding of Iraq,” The Associated Press 16 June 2004.”

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Hey, it PASSED–and because of Republicans!!! What about that, little fascisti. And thanks, Republicans for helping move it along so that the 80%-plus hate & fear of Cheney will finally be out of the late-night comedy ghetto & on the public record.

I love Kucinich. Finally some humor in politics. He does a great impression of a weak, little, whiny, wimpy liberal. And he is downright hilarious! Every time he opens his little insignificant mouth I bust out laughing.
Oh wait…..he’s not kidding?

Dick Cheney is one of the best human beings I have ever heard of. I just finished the book by Stephen Hayes about him. There are some people the more you know about them, the less you like them. (Hillary, anyone?) Dick Cheney is just the opposite. After reading “Cheney”, I like him more than ever.

Absolutely! Throw these idiots out before it is too late!

Here we go again.A congress that does nothing but waste the people time on these idiotic investigations and now the UFO space commando enters the fray. What a joke

Not a democrat or repub, can’t stand either…but after the lies that rode us into the Iraq fiasco and with nearly 4000 dead soldiers and 21,000 wounded, I wholeheartedly agree that both Bush and Cheney should be put to trial, impeached…and if it takes dragging them from office in chains, so be it. This country belongs to the people, not crooked lying politicians and their profiteering buddies. Recall that Cheney did not have the guts to serve during Vietnam, the yellow belly managed to avoid the draft using five draft deferments…not much different than our CinC Georgie Boy Bush who found safe haven in the Texas Guard through daddy’s political pull. Kinda reminds you of Bill Clinton, another yellow belly…but they sure have some of you stooges sucking up to them. Suckers! As a two tour vet of Iraq I am about ready to tell this country to kiss my G.I. butt, but hopefully we can fix it so it belongs to the people again.

The Looney left what a bunch of demoncrats they are anti gun anti Jesus killing the unborn against the Military (aclu) Anti Christian Liars Union card caring hate America first crowd. They say its ok to burn the flag they all want drugs legalized they want illegal’s to vote hell the list can go on oh and they want more of my money I will fight them to the end (COWARDS)

Joe K – easy boy, the libs dont let the fact get in the way of their the blather.

You’re wasting your time, bubba.

I’d like to intoduce a motion that says every member of Congress has to pass basic DNA and IQ tests before they are allowed to take the podium. Does anyone take this moron seriously? Oh yes, I guess the 21 other morons who signed on do. By the way, I am a Democrat, supporting Joe Biden – talk about being lonely in this corner. (Did Biden sign it – hope not.) He’s the only Dem I see who is not a Bitch, a Wimp, or a Dandy, and actually has original ideas about Ireq-mess. Ride on Brothers and Sisters!

I think this is part of a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy by some of the crazies in the Democratic Party. The once great party of FDR, Truman and Kennedy are still in denial over the events of 9/11. One wonders if the Democrats gain power in 2008 and the far left run the agenda that the Democrats will be capable of defending the country?

If your elderly friend’s face looks like target-practice…

you might be a part of the executive branch.

You are a cartoon character. Maybe you should run for mayor of Mars!!!

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