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funny, according to clark, service in the armed forces WAS a qualification when kerry was running for president….wesley, or should I say, weasley clark is a two-faced treasonous coward who puts his own partisan gain above the safety of the country’s citizens

Politics….politics…all is politics.

Riding in a fighter jet and getting shot down does not qualify one for the presidency any more than being a former General in the US military forced into retiremement for talking too much qualifies one to provide intelligent political commentary.

Sorry General,
It’s not about getting shot down that gave Senator McCain character. It’s about the abuse and torture that many American pilots suffered at the hands of the VietCong.

I don’t care for Mr. McCain’s politics and policies, but I appreciate his strength of character while in service to his country, which is more than I can say for you sir.

Anyone who would support a neophyte candidate for president, who does not seek to develop our domestic energy resources essential to secure a livable future for our citizens, is not worth the time of day.

This statement says more about the sheer idiocy of Clark than Sen McCain and his qualifications for the presidency.

I don’t know of any reasonably intelligent person, most particularly Mr McCain, who has ever suggested that this great man deserved to be elected president because of his having been shot down over North Viet Nam.

Having observed Mr Clark over the years and coming to the conclusion he was seriously inadequate in a number of ways, this latest comment only underscores the correctness of my view.

Geez. Whadya know.
Apparently, getting shot down is not qualification to be president!! What does it take then?
Perhaps piloting a PT boat and getting shot out of the water should be qualification enough!?

Obama surrogate Gen. Wesley Clark said of John McCain: “I don’t think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.”

The McCain campaign responded with a statement from Admiral Leighton “Snuffy” Smith:
“If Barack Obama wants to question John McCain’s service to his country, he should have the GUTS to do it himself and not HIDE behind his campaign surrogates. If he expects the American people to believe his pledges about a new kind of politics, Barack Obama has a responsibility to condemn these attacks.”

Clark’s attack is a bit like saying that JFK’s boat getting sunk wasn’t a qualification to become president in 1960. Can you imagine the outrage if someone said that Clark’s getting shot four times in Vietnam didn’t count as a qualification for the presidency?

When choosing a commander-in-chief, most voters do take into account the courage and heroism that candidates displayed while serving their country. McCain’s citation for the Distinguished Flying Cross states: “Although his aircraft was severely damaged, he continued his bomb delivery pass and released his bombs on the target. When the aircraft would not recover from the dive, Commander McCain was forced to eject over the target.” Does Clark know this?

Is Clark unaware that McCain won a Silver Star for resisting “extreme mental and physical cruelties” inflicted upon him by his North Vietnamese captors? Or that McCain won the Navy Commendation Medal for declining early release?

While we’re at it, let’s point out a few things about Barack Obama:
-In “the matter of national security policy making.” Barack Obama hasn’t ever done Anything.
-In the matter of gauging your “opponents”, Obama wants to meet with them without preconditions despite having NO national-security, military, or diplomatic experience.
-Barack Obama hasn’t been on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
-Barack Obama hasn’t had any executive experience.
-Barack Obama hasn’t commanded anything, in wartime or not.
-Barack Obama hasn’t dealt with diplomats in any capacity at all.
-Barack Obama hasn’t ordered the bombs to fall–but he has associated himself with someone who has, domestic terrorist William Ayers.

More old Chicago style dirty politics from Barack Hussein Obama.

Hey, when are the Liberal nutroots going to charge Wes Clark with Crimes Against Humanity for ordering high-altitude (equals more civilian deaths) bombing of Serbia–WITHOUT a UN mandate?

And how does getting fired as NATO commander by Pres. Clinton qualify as Executive Experience for Clark?

Don’t forget that McCain’s shoot down was largely his own fault for not take evasive maneuvers when the SAM missile locked onto his aircraft. Most ’screened’ accounts leave that fact conveniently out:

“I recognised the target sitting next to the small lake and dived in on it, just as the tone went off signalling that a missile was flying towards me.

I knew I should roll out and fly evasive manoeuvres – “jinking” in flyers’ parlance – but I was just about to release my bombs and, had I started jinking, I would never have had the time, nor probably the nerve, to go back in once I had lost the missile.

So at 1000m, I released my bombs, then pulled back the stick to begin a steep climb to a safer altitude. In the instant before the plane reacted, a missile blew my right wing off.

I knew I was hit. My A-4 aircraft, travelling at about 900km/h, was spiralling violently to Earth. I reacted automatically the moment I took the hit, reached up and pulled the ejection seat handle.”…

John McCain, “Faith of My Fathers”

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23301752-663,00.html

Also:

In his 1999 autobiography “Faith of My Fathers,” McCain listed what he considers the three greatest mistakes in his life: a forced confession under torture when he was a prisoner, his role in a banking scandal and his infidelity in his marriage to his first wife.

and

Within four days of being captured, he specifically admits that he first offered and then provided valid military information so that he could get treatment other POWs in his position didn’t get. He details at last two propaganda broadcasts/interviews he gave. Both of those are in direct violation of the Military Code of Conduct that he swore to uphold (and he was not being either tortured or coerced when he did those things — he did them of his own free will and for his own purposes).

In 1993, during one of his many trips back to Hanoi, McCain asked the Vietnamese not to make public any records they hold pertaining to U.S. POWs…

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Untested and untried….

General Wimpy Clark,

You were tested and tried and you failed both, miserably.

Go back to the retirement you so richly deserve and keep your views to yourself.

Sickening.

Hussein is running on “Character, communication skills and judgment”.

I’ll give him communication skills, but judgment and character? Poor judgment in choice of church, zero character in turning his back on said church. That’s just scratching the surface.

What a joke.

Weasely Clark is in every sense a small man.

I have despised Clark for a long time now.He is a spineless creep.How dare he go out and insult a Hero like McCain doing that Marxist Obama’s work for him.Clark wants abortion not only though 9 months as Obama does he also wants a two year period after birth to kill babies.This creep got canned and he has been traidor ever since.Obama has made some unbelievably bad choices begining with Wright,Ayers and Frank Marshel and this creep sayd he has great judgement? I wish Clark would just go away and let real men deal with the world and not little spineless punks like himself.Why does the media even have this idiot on? Is it bevause they agree with him? MSNBC does.The N.Y.Times does…all left wing moonbats do.Vote McCain!!!

So Rover… McCain gets himself shot down because he had the balls to drop his payload even with his alarms going off and instead of saluting him for that, you harp on him not following procedure to the letter?

I mean, I know you’re not American, but cmon…

I am not a huge fan of open-borders McCain but Obama is far worse. Wesley Clark is a creepy guy. He is a real political military type who probably got ahead by brown nosing.

General Clark is a Democrat Party Lackey. His silly statements concerning Sen. McCain’s military service sure aren’t going to help Obama.
Obama’s experience is sadly lacking compared to McCain’s. Not a good idea to start a national discussion comparing the two candidates’ qualifications. General,.. you’re such a putz.

I guess a Hussien has 143 days in the Senate and that qualifies him? He does have a Muslim advantage in this war that McCain doesn’t.

Clark is a joke. Ever since CNN hired him he’s become nothing but a wishy washy- self-hating liberal who will take any shot he can at anything ‘not liberal’. McCain is 100x the war hero you ever were. His withstanding torture and refusing to go home before his men makes him a hero…not the fact he was shot down. The respect anyone had for you Wesley has long been destroyed by your obvious pandering for a buck. Frankly, at this point, you’re an embarrassment to the US military. You’re yet ANOTHER reason why CNN does so poorly in the ratings. Keep it up and you’ll have no viewers at all. You strike me as a guy with severely damaged self-esteem who was far too close controlled by your mother. Get some therapy…learn how to be a man.

I know Wes Clark and Wes Clark is no John McCain.

Wes Clark has always been jealous of those who have served with actions he could not show.

Wes, you are and have been a very small man. Stick to assessing those you have qualifications to assess.

McCain is above you pay grade. Stick to the Kerry cowboys of the world.

Burning 33 women and children alive apparently does qualify waco wesley

obamas house honkey.Thanks Clark, shows me how much of a stark contrast there is to obama and McCains experience. One has been to some Muslim countries. The other a war hero . Gee, who would be best as Commander in Chief? By the way, obama would have to kiss my butt for my vote. Go Bill!The Bill that canned Wes Clark

Is This moron kidding or what? Uh Duh General Clark. What has Obama commanded other than a Crack pipe?

WOW, if you tell lies long enough and often enough people will start to repeat and believe them. Character is the issue and Obama’s lack of honor. I don’t like the policies of either candidate but I feel like the USA has a better chance of survival with John. I believe John love his country, and I believe Barry hates what this country stands for and wants to “Change” it to fall in line with a world government paid for by the American tax payer. His whole life has been encompassed by people who hate America, hate white people, hate Jews, hate business, hate other people being successful, hate that America was founded as a Christian nation, and last but most important hate that we are a FREE people.

The entire Pentagon is a moron for promoting Wesley Clark to General, he shouldn’t even be a officer or even a NCO. Any one of us except Rover could of done a better job than him. Twice as good a job. Clark couldn’t command a trained dog, let alone a unit.

What a jerk. (Clark that is)

Next he’ll complain McCain’s grandkids aren’t very pretty. Please.

Ya think he wants an Obama cabinet position?

This man did not leave service with the best recommendations of his peers. He was very political and was known for attaching himself to the most politically powerfull that he could attach to during his tenure at the Pentagon.

How did he do at Kosovo? Took 15 years there due to his doing nothing but wearing the cap.

Gen. Clark seems to have put his foot in it. Too bad. He probably WILL have a post in Obama’s administration–who knows? Maybe he’ll even be selected as VP! He should know better than to try to disparage McCain’s war record, though. It is a kind of “SAINT BADGE” that McCain wears and trying to besmirch it is asking for trouble.

Now Clark will have to apologize–and the Democrats will look stupid, once again!
Tsk-tsk.

Question His IQ, not his war record!

Just learned that they named that little girl from Bangladesh “BRIDGETT” !?!??!

What kind of IDIOT does that???????? Takes a child from their own race and culture, and then plasters an IRISH name on her?!?!?! (It happens all the time, but we don’t have to put up with it in the White House!!) SHEESH.

“Question His IQ, not his war record!”

Here we go again. Libs always bring up IQ as a counter-argument. Those arrogant SOB’s think they are much smarter than we normal folks. Then, we watch what they do and propose, and it becomes immediately clear they are the most ignorant, illogical and brain-washable folks ever to inhabit this planet.

All this from the brilliant military genious who was summarily fired from his post as Supreme Allied Commander Europe.

I am stunned by Clarks comments. I am not sure just how to comment on the ignorance of his statements. I hope the libs keep making really stupid comments like these…it will surely win the election for McCain.

“Just learned that they named that little girl from Bangladesh “BRIDGETT” !?!??!

What kind of IDIOT does that???????? Takes a child from their own race and culture, and then plasters an IRISH name on her?!?!?! (It happens all the time, but we don’t have to put up with it in the White House!!) SHEESH.”

Actually, they named the 3 month old, abandoned orphan, who needed serious medical treatment, Bridget. Not Bridgett. If you’re going to post idiotic ramblings, at least get your facts straight bozo.

Really though, you couldn’t possibly be trying to find something negative in the McCain’s adopting the girl could you? That would be as stupid as trying to mock his military service.

Re: “Within four days of being captured … (and he was not being either tortured or coerced when he did those things — he did them of his own free will and for his own purposes).”

Two broken arms and a broken leg, nearly drowning, beatin and pummeled by villagers, manhandled by NVA troops, refused medical treatment for days after arival at the Hanoi Hilton … that’s not being under torture?

Who knows what any of us would have done in his positon? I defy anyone to honestly say they would have behaved differently.

McCain is to be admired and respected for not accepting the offer from the NVA to be sent home because of his father’s positon in the US.

Clark spent 8 of his 9 months in Vietnam as a staff weenie. He was an infantry company commander for one month before he was shot and sent home.

5 years of torture in a POW camp vs. 4 bullets in the right side is a far greater test of character in any man.

Clark proves it everytime he opens his mouth.

Wow, he named a child he rescued from a hellish country an Irish name…that is awful! How many children have you rescued? If that is what this campaign is coming down to, and it looks like it might be, God help us.

Is there any Obama lackey that hasn’t been dredged up from the moral swamp that was the Clinton administration? The only “change” involved is taking us backwards!

As for Obama’s great communication skills, they might come in handy if he ever bothers to articulate an coherent idea. After over a year of his lips flapping, all I’ve heard is the same garbage the left has been spewing for four decades. Of course, we now know in hindsight the utter failure of each and every one of those policies (see the general conditions of Cuba and North Korea for examples; I’d add the Soviet Union, but it collapsed 20 years ago). Obama has lived through all those events, yet he seems to have learned nothing.

We can’t afford that sort of ignorance in a President. Obama doesn’t belong anywhere near the Oval Office.

The controversy over my colleague General Wesley Clark’s comments on John McCain have generated a lot of media comment, much of it negative. I have known General Clark for many years: we served in the same Army and for the same country. He’s a patriot. So to suppose that somehow Wesley Clark would denigrate John McCain’s service to his country, while praising his bravery during the time that Senator McCain spent in an enemy prison, is absolutely ludicrous. So let’s check the facts.

On CBS’s Face the Nation, General Clark said that he believed John McCain was “untried and untested.” Journalist Bob Schieffer asked him to explain what he meant. How could Clark make such a claim when “you’re talking about somebody who was a prisoner of war? He was a squadron commander of the largest squadron in the Navy. He’s been on the Senate Armed Services Committee for many years. How can you say that John McCain is un-untested and untried?” And here’s General Clark’s answer:

Because in the matters of national security policy making, it’s a matter of understanding risk. It’s a matter of gauging your opponents, and it’s a matter of being held accountable. John McCain’s never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in Armed Forces as a prisoner of war. He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn’t held executive responsibility.

As a retired military officer and a soldier who served his country for over thirty years, I can tell you that there’s nothing in what Wes Clark said with which I disagree. He has not only stated the facts, he knows something about them. John McCain was a prisoner of war, an officer who served as a squadron commander, and has been and is a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. John McCain can put his service to country up against anyone’s. But General Clark has served also — and with great courage: he was wounded four times in Vietnam — and like John McCain, he has met and seen the enemy.

Is what Wesley Clark said true? Let’s check some other facts: John McCain made claims about progress in security by walking through the streets of Baghdad. But as I recall, he was protected by at least a platoon of American soldiers and helicopters lying overhead. In matters of national security, as General Clark pointed out, “it’s a matter of understanding risk,” and it’s “gauging your opponents;” and it’s also a “matter of being held accountable.”

So I too honor John McCain. And, like General Clark, I acknowledge his sacrifice for his country. But being a prisoner of the Vietnamese and serving on the Senate Armed Services Committee does not automatically qualify one for the position of Commander-in-Chief — understanding risks, gauging your opponents and being held accountable does. We must end this glib obeisance to sacrifice and ask deeper questions: is a man who sings “bomb, bomb, bomb … bomb, bomb Iran” a man who understands risks? Is a man who says that we must keep our troops in Iraq until we achieve an ill-defined “victory” really know how to gauge America’s opponents. If we want to hold people accountable, then let’s stand behind my friend Wes Clark — and hold John McCain accountable for what he’s said.

Oh, and one more thing: today President Bush signed the GI Bill — which Senator Barack Obama has unstintingly supported. The bill will spend $63 billion over ten years for increased college aid for military service members and veterans who served after September 11, 2001. Good judgment?

John McCain opposed it.

“5 years of torture in a POW camp vs. 4 bullets in the right side is a far greater test of character in any man.”

True. but so what? Does that mean that Clark’s point isn’t valid? Does it mean that McCain is automatically a better candidate than Obama, purely on those merits alone?

Shoot, there are a lot of former POWs. By your logic, they should all be considered for President, and we should all be reading their interviews instead of Clark’s.

Again, I agree with you that anyone who has suffered as a POW has sacrificed immensely and shown tremendous courage of character. But lets keep it in perspective to.

General Clark is totally wrong! McCain is a decorated veteran, former POW who wrote of his captivity and valor, was seriously wounded in action, and a Christian. Even though he was not exactly born in the USA, that does NOT disqualify him as a powerful leader for America!!

Clark forgets his military history! There is another powerful leader in history who was also a decorated veteran, former POW who wrote of his captivity and valor, was seriously wounded in action, and a Christian. And actually was not born in the country he lead to become one of the most powerful nations on Earth at that time.

That person was Adolf Hitler…

“What kind of IDIOT does that???????? Takes a child from their own race and culture, and then plasters an IRISH name on her?!?!?!”

Right.

The kid already had a race, a culture, and a name.
And it was not White, Irish, or Bridget. (Or Bridgett.)

@Larse

…”That person was Adolf Hitler…”

I am again “stunned” by the true “viciousness” of Larse…

Are you a pitbull?

All you Rush Ditto-heads and “Hannitized” critics of Gen. Clark should read (or reread) Gen. Gard’s posting. Thanks for the reasoned, logical narrative, General—you have put the entire matter into its proper perspective. It’s ironic that the far right, who had no use for McCain for so long, is now using this “smearing” of his heroic service as a means of attacking Obama. Nothing Clark said about John was anywhere near as vile as what that horrible little fat troll, Rove, had to say about him when he slandered him back in the 2000 campaign when he “architected” Bush into the Republican ticket.

Larse,
Hitler was never a POW. He was wounded and in a military hospital when the war ended (1918). He was imprisoned at Landsberg for treason (he received a five year sentence) after the “Beer Hall Putsch” in November, 1923. This is where he dictated much of his book, “Mein Kampf” to Rudolph Hess. He served about nine months in prison before being released in 1924.

Wesley Clark wants to be Obama’s Vice President.
Thus, his attacks on McCain.

Wesley has always had dreams of becoming President.

My question is where is General Patton when we need him? Wesley needs to be slapped.

“Don’t ask, don’t tell”…

That policy is the only way that a closeted gay soldier could have made it all the way up to 4-Star General!

“Don’t ask, don’t tell” is a good policy. Wish it were the national standard!

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